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  • 2008-09-21 - UK - Pics From A Very Sunny Santa Pod

    What a great day out, alot more things to do than any other event I've been to in the past, lots of traders & very good choice for food, only thing which could have been better was a section for the E31, if a few people fancy this one next year maybe we could arrange an E31 display .

    Great to meet some new faces and finally meet Martin

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    Notice anything different and yes I've now seen that t-shirt





    Wayne.

    On my 3rd 8 but my first V12

  • #2
    looks like a good day
    Its been a year since I sold her and I still miss her.......




    Lloyd

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    • #3
      Great photos Wayne, it looks as though you had a good day out. I was at Blenheim Palace for the Oxford Classic Car show and managed to get my 850Ci inn the BMW Club line up with some very nice 6's, 3's and an older CS. Fabulous weather and a big show, the folks from the BMW club were very friendly and the 8 attracted a lot of interest. I was embarrased as the car was pretty grubby as I'd driven over a 1,000 miles since leaving home on Friday and getting to Blenheim.
      There was another black 8 present, I saw the photo spread that had a picture of every "interesting" car arriving at Blenheim, I could n't find this other car though despite searching, the number plate was M *** BSW

      Anyone here own up to owning that car?
      1997 M73

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      • #4
        Hi again Wayne,
        Thanks for the pics.
        Was a great day (or 2 for me) and the weather helped. Never seen such ideal conditions at the Pod - no wind, unheard of !

        Personally counted 8 E31's including 4 CSi's and 3 of those (including mine) in silver.

        Standout (of many) things for me were the 2 side-by-side runs up the strip by 2 silver CSi's (mine and the one with the Schnitzer-style wheels) - hope someone got some pics ?? Score was one win each. Got to be a one-off moment ??
        Magic
        The black S800 reg 840 driver who let his girlfriend drive his car on the strip on Sunday after setting his personal best time on Sat. Then she beats his time with a blistering 14.3 sec !! His idea was to get the weight down and it worked!
        "Tony" running the Montreal Blue T-reg 840 for the first time on the strip (but an experienced drag-racer in other vehicles) and managing to get his times down by almost 1 sec in a day by removing weight from the boot and playing around with just about every combination of suspension setting/traction control/tyre pressure/burnout imaginable.

        A must for any owner with the vaguest interest in how our cars can perform and there were also some fabulous cars on display for the spectators too.

        May post some of my own pics later, plus some performance points in a seperate thread.

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        • #5
          More pics:-
          Sorry, no videos on Youtube this year

          For fans of the E24 6 series (like me), how about the red one that won "Best Original" in the show&shine....
          Or the Alpina B7 Turbo ....
          Or the 454ci Chevy engined racecar with an immaculate steel 635 body on top ....

          And a few pics of mine on the strip (courtesy Blackett Photography)
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          • #6
            Event official report now available on bmwshow.co.uk., including track times.
            Winner on the track in our category (8 cylinder +) was 12.77 sec by one of the new V8 M3's.
            Lot more quicker cars in this class than last year, first 4 were all sub 13 sec. What with the M3 V8s and the new style M5s, frankly you must have a seriously modded E31 to stand a chance in this class now !
            I finished 1/2 way down the field of 29 runners, against 7th last year with a slower time ...
            Never mind, it was great anyway

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            • #7
              Just out of curiosity what were the 850CSi times?
              It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. Mine sometimes feels that way.

              Terry

              1995 840Ci
              1991 850i
              Woodland Washington USA

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              • #8
                Terry,
                When we ran against each other was late in the afternoon and times had definately slowed through the day as it got warmer.
                In the side-by-side CSi runs my best time was 14.73 and his was 14.86.

                Earlier in the day I managed a best of 14.38, and the other CSi 14.48.
                On my 14.38 run I also broke the 100mph terminal speed barrier for the first time.

                My car is now slightly modified with lightened flywheel, stage 2 kevlar clutch, UUC short-shifter, adjustable clutch stop and 3.45 final drive.
                The other CSI was running standard 2.93 gearing but had a "remap" with rev limit raised to 6500rpm (in all gears I think) allowing him to pull 3rd through the finish line, one less gearchange than mine.

                Times for mine definately leave room for improvement in technique and to make the best of the 3.45 gearing. Got to be so careful with the revs now in 1st otherwise it just loses traction. Get better times with traction control switched on (don't need it with 2.93 gearing) but the traction control is limiting power in 1st to achieve this - can be clearly seen on my Gtech recordings of the runs.

                I've got some ideas for next time and will be practicing to speed-up my gearchanges meanwhile ....
                Have since tried some recorded runs on the road (private road, officer) and have equalled the 14.38 time with a 2nd gear start.....

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                • #9
                  Thanks for the information

                  I suppose that I need to run my 840 on the strip someday. The dyno too.

                  Just to see where it is now with the Wokke chip, low restriction air flow straightener and 3.64 gears.
                  It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. Mine sometimes feels that way.

                  Terry

                  1995 840Ci
                  1991 850i
                  Woodland Washington USA

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                  • #10
                    Terry,
                    When you get to run it on the dyno and the strip, I think you may well be pleasantly surprised with the results...
                    Judging by the times achieved by the two 840s on the day (14.71 and 14.3ish) which had both had "remaps" and exhaust mods, these kind of mods seem to be achieving significant power gains putting them well in line with CSi times.
                    They were both running standard final drive gearing, so with your 3.64 ....?

                    Shame we couldn't persuade Wayne to run his 840 with 3.91 gearing. His times could have been a useful benchmark for what is becoming a common mod for 840s.

                    Both the 840s running had experimented to find the best combination of damper/traction control etc settings and cut weight to a minimum (spare wheel, fuel - not stripping the interior out!) to achieve their times. Don't know what these settings were exactly but I know one of the guys got his best times with the EDC set to the soft "K" setting, thereby getting it to sit back on the rear end off the line, improving weight transfer and traction.
                    (could be one of my problems - CSi has no adjustment for dampers, and very stiff lowered springs)

                    Like the idea of your "low restriction air flow straightener" (one of the 840s got some small improvement just by removing the air filter). What is that exactly and is it commercially available ?

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                    • #11
                      Zitat von martinw Beitrag anzeigen
                      Shame we couldn't persuade Wayne to run his 840 with 3.91 gearing. His times could have been a useful benchmark for what is becoming a common mod for 840s.
                      Next year Martin, once I've had some work done on the engine
                      Wayne.

                      On my 3rd 8 but my first V12

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                      • #12
                        The air flow device replaces the front plastic screen in the air flow meter. A lot more open but still an air straightener
                        With removal of the rear screen as well their initial gain on an E46 M3 with a 540 AFM was 12 to 15 hp. They have been sold out for a while but did make 2 sizes originally. http://www.ground-control-store.com/...egory.php/CA=6

                        The leading edge is just about sharp enough to cut yourself on.
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                        It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. Mine sometimes feels that way.

                        Terry

                        1995 840Ci
                        1991 850i
                        Woodland Washington USA

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                        • #13
                          Wayne,
                          Once you've done your "engine work" dont forget to give it a practice run at the Pod first (to get the set-up right) before the BM meeting and let me know when you are going ?

                          Terry,
                          If not from a respected person like yourself (and the claims/guarantees made) I might have said this device seems like a gimmick ...
                          However .... simpler things can produce big gains !
                          Have you noticed a difference with it installed ?

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                          • #14
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                            Have you noticed a difference with it installed ?
                            I had to reset the computer immediately after installation to fix the idle. It was shaking like a dog so there was some effect on air flow.

                            Then my Butt dyno told me it was good

                            Take a look at the plastic factory air straightener in the AFM inlet and the screen on the back and tell me if you think the airflow is is going to be Ideal thru them. I see a serious restriction of flow there compared to the Gizmo.

                            All of that doesn't mean I am right. But years of "experience" designing sealed machine tool enclosures and rather exotic air pick up and flow diversion devices to contain our toxic materials during machining makes me think I am.
                            It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others. Mine sometimes feels that way.

                            Terry

                            1995 840Ci
                            1991 850i
                            Woodland Washington USA

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                            • #15
                              I've never had the inlet apart (I'll have a look one day) but I can see what you're saying about the restriction from the screens.
                              Like they say, if it feels right ... I'm sure you're getting some improvement.
                              BTW, how did you reset the computer to get the idle right ?

                              I may well look out for the gizmo when it comes back in stock. Do they make one in the right size for the CSi ?

                              In terms of "air straighteners", I was thinking along other lines - a way of getting more of a straight line ram effect to the inlet from the front of the car. Difficult from the standard air inlets by the front grille, because of the headlights being in the way.

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